Thursday, March 13, 2008

Google Books in LibraryThing

The official Google Blog and the Inside Book Search Blog just announced the new Google Book Search API, with LibraryThing as one of the first implementors. (The others are libraries; I'll be posting about what they've done over on Thingology.)

In sum, LibraryThing now links to Google Books for book scans—full or partial—and book information.

Google Book Search links can be seen two places:
  • In your catalog. Choose "edit styles" to add the column. The column reflects only the exact edition you have.
  • On work pages. The "Buy, borrow, swap or view" box on the right now includes a Google Books section. Clicking on it opens up a "lightbox" showing all the editions LibraryThing can identify on Google Book Search.
Despite the screenshot, of Carroll's Through the looking glass and what Alice found there, relatively few works have "full" scans. "Partial view" and "book information" pages are more common. But the former generally include sthe cover and table of contents, and the whole text can be searched. The latter can also be useful for cataloging purposes. Members with extensive collections from before 1923—the copyright cutoff—will get relatively more out the feature.

Leave comments here, or come discuss the feature on Talk.

Limitations. The GBS API is a big step forward, but there are some technical limitations. Google data loads after the rest of the page, and may not be instant. Because the data loads in your web browser, with no data "passing through" LibraryThing servers, we can't sort or search by it, and all-library searching is impossible. You can get something like this if you create a Google Books account, which is, of course, the whole point.

LCCN and OCLC. To get the best results, we needed to add full access to two library standards, namely Library of Congress Control Numbers (LCCN) and OCLC Numbers. We did so, reparsing the original MARC records where necessary. You can see these columns in your catalog now—choose "edit styles" as above. The two columns are not yet editable, but will be so in a day or two.

The Back Story. The rest of the first batch are libraries, including a number of "friends"--Deschutes Public Library, the Waterford Institute of Technology, the University of Huddersfield and Plymouth State/Scriblio. Google wanted help finding potentials and if there's one thing I have it's a Rolodex of smoking-hot library programmers! Once I've taken in all the neat things they did, I'll be posting over on Thingology.

Some libraries have chosen to feature Google Book Search links only when Google has the full scan. This makes sense to me. Linking to a no scans or partial scan, when the library has the item on its shelves, seems weird to me.

LibraryThing and its members can also like to take credit for moving the API along in another way. Your help with the Google Book Search Search bookmarklet forced the issue of GBS data. The message to Google was clear: our members wanted to use GBS with LibraryThing, and if Google wouldn't provide the information, members would get it themselves. After some to-and-fro with Google, we voluntarily disabled the service. But I think it moved the openness ball a few feet, and that's something for members to be proud of.

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10 Comments:

Blogger Andrew said...

Great to see this implemented.

Re Tim's comment "Linking to a no scans or partial scan, when the library has the item on its shelves, seems weird to me": I would hope libraries would link regardless because of Google's search capabilities and preview tools. A student doing research could very quickly look inside a book and decide whether it is worth retrieving off the library's shelves. Also, including this link would allow other patrons to benefit if the book was checked out or had otherwise vanished.

3/13/2008 3:06 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This, is terribly cool Tim.

I am pretty excited by the potential here!

Eoin

3/13/2008 4:14 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Limitations ... Because the data loads in your web browser, with no data "passing through" LibraryThing servers, we can't ..."

Whether a book is partially or fully viewable is dependent on local laws where the browser is, so "passing through" LibraryThing would also lead to erroneous results for users outside of the United States.

The integration is very cool.

3/13/2008 4:24 PM  
Blogger Languagehat said...

As always when the subject comes up, I repeat my indignant amazement at the wretched "snippet view," which more often than not does not even include the word or phrase you're searching for and which is often the only view available even for works long past copyright protection. Shame on you, Google. I expect better from you.

3/13/2008 9:03 PM  
Blogger Bob Campbell said...

I agree with Andrew on allowing partial views in Google Books.

Some books are in there more than once (based on different library retrievals), sometimes with differing views allowed. I don't know that this needs to be rectified. Maybe they have separate LCCN or OCLC numbers.

The most frustrating thing with Google Books is that there are pre-1923 printed government documents which have have snippet preview. Most of these volumes were deposited at libaries by the U.S. Gove't to make the information widespread, frequently hundreds of libraries across the U.S. To me it seems persnickety for a library to restrict access to these, when anyone can go in and use these volumes including people who do not have privileges to call up anything else in that library (e.g. many univesity libraries).

I use Google Books all the time, and it is great to have it as a nice resource thru LT.

Bob

3/14/2008 10:38 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I had a problem with the Google feature:

This is what I did: I added "Google Book Search" to one of my display styles, clicked on "Book Info", was sent to the Google site -- but when I clicked my browser's back button ALL my display styles were suddenly empty. I was able to reproduce this behavior several times. I had to rebuild all my styles. I seems to work right now, though. (I use a Mac + Safari/Camino/Firefox).

3/14/2008 1:09 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Is there a similar service for Project Guttenberg or Many Books? If you can't get a book from the library, it would be nice to get it in a form that's a little more portable than Google Books (txt, pdf, etc).

3/14/2008 1:37 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

LibraryThing,

I could not figure out how to leave my feedback elsewhere. I just logged on and found out that I am not able to add any more books as I have reached the "free limit" of 200 books. To enter more, I must subscribe for a yearly fee (probably auto renews unless I go and explicitly opt-out).

Unfortunately for you, I was not informed about the "free for the first 200 books" limit prior to my spending hours and hours entering the 211 books I could recall off the top of my head I had read. Perhaps your warning was "hidden" or intentionally non-obvious. For me, that is the same as not being informed. For you it is the same effect, I am departing your service.

I have absolutely no intention of paying you for the priviledge of my updating my own list of books. Are you freakin INSANE?! Good luck with your model (ROTFLMAO - still living in the 1990's with your charging models, I can see).

Just to be clear, I have deleted all of my books and intend for my account to go dormant.

Thank you for the great idea. I am saddened you chose to charge the $10 a month. I don't think I am the only client who feels this way. I am just one in a hundred that is vocal about my choice.


Jim

3/23/2008 12:22 AM  
Blogger Tim said...

For a response to that comment, posted on ten blog posts, despite the fact that ever team member's email is posted on the blog and there are whole groups devoted to feedback, see http://www.librarything.com/blog/2008/03/all-things-considered-does-librarything.php .

3/23/2008 2:45 AM  
Blogger paul said...

for "items on the shelf" what if there was a quick link to a delivery service at the holding library.. you specify the pages you need scanned to you, and they would deliver within an hour. Would you use it ?
- would you pay for the service?

4/22/2008 11:17 PM  

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