Monday, August 06, 2007

Hallo! (Getting serious about Dutch books)





I've added four book sources for Dutch readers: the Dutch Royal Library (KB), the Royal Library of Belgium (KBR) and booksellers Bol.com and Bruna.nl. With luck, they'll be a few more soon.*

This should be big boost for our Dutch site, LibraryThing.nl. Until now, there was only one Dutch-language source, TU Delft**. Between the four new sources LibraryThing now embraces virtually all in-print Dutch books, 70,000 cover images and millions of older books.

I hope this will make LibraryThing a much more attrative place for Dutch readers to catalog their books and do the other things LibraryThing is about.

Adding Dutch books required extensive work. Giovanni, LibraryThing's newest (fractional) employee, helped us track down Bol and Bruna data, our first non-Amazon retailer. On my side it involved dealing with five new formats. Fortunately, much of the work will contribute to adding other sources.

There were some wrinkles:
  • Bol and Bruna are a single search on combined data. Neither feed was intended for personal cataloging, and I found holes in both sets that the other could improve. Even so, the data is thin by LibraryThing standards, lacking publication years and other important fields.*** The covers are great.
  • The Bol/Bruna mash-up was an innovation. LibraryThing trusts that both retailers want to let their customers catalog the books they bought at their stores. But if either tells us to stop, we'll politely give up our affiliate accounts and withdraw their data. In appreciation for their service to Dutch-language readers, we have put Bol/Bruna links on all LibraryThing.nl work pages, not considering which contributed the data.
  • KB was a tough addition, requiring us to parse two new formats, SRU and Dublin Core. Unfortunately, I have yet to figure out how to execute an ISBN search. The KB data is high quality, but slow to retrieve.
  • KBR required the least attractive sort of data parsing, so-called "screen scraping." Only titles can be searched, and the result list is very basic. But, when a book is selected, the data is good, and retrieval is fast.
We have also been reaching out to other prominent Dutch-language book sites looking to forge relationships and pick up or link to interesting content. Your suggestions would be most welcome.

Lastly, as those who follow it know, LibraryThing.nl has seen some controversy. A lot of excellent work has gone into the translation, which is farther along than any other. But there have also been uncollegial disagreements. In response I have urged members to respect the collective nature of the endeavor and instituted a Three-Times Rule, similar to Wikipedia's Three Revert Rule. Except in very special circumstances, members may not translate a given phrase the same way more than three times.

Thanks to all. Comments, questions and criticisms wanted—as always.


*We are waiting for approval to add Proxis.be and implementation and/or approval from a number of other libraries in the Netherlands and Belgium.
**For much of LibraryThing's existence we were also tying into the Catholic University of Leuven, but their Z39.50 server eventually went black.
***We had hoped to further supplement them with KR or KBR data, but we lack a working ISBN search for both.

17 Comments:

Blogger Christine said...

Tim, this is great! Having sources for Dutch books will boost membership of LT in the Netherlands.

8/06/2007 3:04 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is great news! But..., unfortunately I have entered nearly all my books already, 2,432 of them manually.

8/06/2007 7:53 AM  
Blogger Unknown said...

Great!

Now what about Hebrew support? As stated earlier, I'm willing to help, including coding, for free!

The Hebrew unified academic library catalog (ULI) supports Z39.50.

More info: http://libnet.ac.il/~libnet/z39.htm

Please contact me by e-mail to asaf AT forum2.org to discuss possibilities. Given a template, I can submit a patch or something.

8/06/2007 8:03 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have a question or two: does LibraryThing.com host the blog? If it does, then shouldn't relative links work?

I am nudging people to convince them to use relative links in the groups, so it would be nice if the blog posts followed suit, if that's possible.

8/06/2007 8:04 AM  
Blogger Tim said...

Unfortunately, it's a blogger thing. They turn all relative URLs into links to blogger, even though we host it.

8/06/2007 8:47 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Great! Thanks Tim.

8/06/2007 9:05 AM  
Blogger hnkie said...

I agree about the high quality of KB data. I used it a lot, cutting and pasting, when entering books manually.

8/06/2007 9:12 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Perhaps it's time for LT to host its own blog on its own server?

8/06/2007 10:29 AM  
Blogger Unknown said...

Brilliant move! Thank you so much!

8/06/2007 10:45 AM  
Blogger Annabel said...

Tim, great news!

*sigh* any hope for Russian book search any time soon?..

8/06/2007 3:34 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thanks a million! That was much needed.

8/07/2007 3:11 AM  
Blogger ritanila aka Rita Niland said...

Hi Tim a.o.

Good news. I'm going to blog about it today of course here:
ritanila's biebblog
I'm nr. 92 on the Dutch bloglist, so maybe you'll see new members.
marcom100
I'll hope one day my library, Public library of Rotterdam, can contribute too.
One thing: the dutch translation can better.
Greetings
Rita Niland (aka ritanila )

8/08/2007 6:53 AM  
Blogger Tim said...

Rita,

Thanks! I saw you mentioned us once before in passing.

I hear you're right about the Dutch translation. Fortunately, I don't need to learn Dutch; the users can fix it. :)

Tim

8/08/2007 10:21 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

My prayers have been answered! Thank you so much!

8/10/2007 10:07 PM  
Blogger Unknown said...

There was an article in one of the biggest and most prestigious Dutch newspapers earlier this week. Thank god! Now I am part of the club. Categorizing my modest collection of 170 books took one night only and was heaps of fun. Thanks!

8/11/2007 9:37 AM  
Blogger dutchmarbel said...

What a great suprise for me, to come back after the holiday and to find that adding the Dutch books I still had to add was made so much easier.

Thank you very much for the effort!

8/13/2007 3:16 AM  
Blogger Unknown said...

Tim, did you use the OAI interface of the KB in any way?

Best,
Johan

8/16/2007 4:30 AM  

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