Sunday, June 17, 2007

Fifteen million books!

Going down, like the Titanic.
LibraryThing has hit fifteen million books.

Number 15,000,000 was a 1963 edition of The Greek Way by Edith Hamilton, added by dukedom_enough at 8:57am on June 15. For his luck, Dukedom earns a free gift membership.

Now begins the countdown to a major milestone: becoming the second largest "library" in the US, and with or soon after that, the second largest in the world, gulp.

LibraryThing is not of course a "real" library. You can't take the books out, they do a lot more with them, and we have a lot more duplicates. We have only about 2.5 million distinct "titles." But the comparison gives a sense of relative scale to the enterprise.*

Anyway, the tally is now as follows**:
  1. Library of Congress — 30,011,748
  2. Harvard University — 15,555,533
  3. Boston Public Library — 15,458,022
  4. LibraryThing — 15,081,543
  5. Yale University — 12,025,695
With luck, we'll settle in behind the Library of Congress in 10-15 days. At 30 million, they're going to take a while to beat.

When will we hit second in the world? Unfortunately, I can't find a good list of world libraries by volumes. Everyone concedes that the Library of Congress is the largest library. The rest is foggy. Wikipedia has the British Library at 150 million items, and 22 million volumes. The Bibliothèque nationale and the Berlin State Library are at ten million volumes. (The German National Library is said to have 22 million items, but items aren't volumes.) The stubby entry for the National Library of China speaks of it as:
"... the largest library of Asia and with a collection of over 22 million volumes (including individually counted periodicals, without these around 10 million), it is the fifth largest in the world."
Which raises the question, does the ALA Factsheet also count periodical volumes separately?

Tim is dead. (Credit)
Surpassing the BPL in any way feels blasphemous; I love the place so much that comparing LibraryThing to the BPL—well, the lions should eat me for thinking it. But Harvard will be sweet. I lived most of my life in Cambridge, MA, but the bastards rejected me twice—undergrad and grad! So, in that spirit, and with Yalies protecting my back, let's beat that little pile of books over at Widener.


*There are all sorts of problems with these numbers. In fact, libraries don't really know how many books they have. LibraryThing has a small percentage of items that aren't books, and a larger number that are "wished for" other otherwise ephemeral. At the same time, many of LibraryThing's "books" are composed of multiple volumes. So, we're in the neighborhood of 15 million anyway.

LibraryThing demonstrates something we always knew—that regular people have a lot of books—probably many times what all the world's libraries hold. I've never seen the relative numbers discussed. It never mattered before, but now that regular people can put their catalogs online and engage in tasks, like tagging and work disambiguation, that bear on age-old issues of library science, it's not entirely pointless to compare the two.

I want to underscore that, in making the comparison, we mean no disrespect to libraries. I think I've got some proof that LibraryThing has always been on libraries' side. Our first hire, Abby, was a librarian. We have always favored library data, where our many recent competitors only care about Amazon's data. We link to libraries extensively, something no competitor does. And we are grateful that our work has been of interest to the library world—Abby and I have become minor fixtures on the library speaking circuit.***

**Source: ALA Factsheet: The Nation's Largest Libraries.

***My Library of Congress talk will be online soon, as will my recent keynote at the Innovative Users Group meeting in Sligo, Ireland.

33 Comments:

Blogger Andrew said...

Small caveat: There are 30,000+ titles tagged "wishlist," "@wishlist," and "Amazon wishlist," suggesting that these aren't actually owned.

6/17/2007 1:14 PM  
Blogger Tim said...

Hey, what do I write footnotes for if nobody reads them?*

*The answer, of course, is my own solopsistic amusement.

6/17/2007 1:23 PM  
Blogger Andrew said...

Perhaps I'm the only one who didn't read the footnote. Sorry, Tim!

6/17/2007 1:50 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Rudolf Schlesinger:

"What happens to lawyers who don't read the footnotes in legal decisions? -- Their children will starve!"

pechmerle

6/17/2007 2:48 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oh, come on, don't diss Widener (much less poor Harry Elkins!). Sure, 40% of the books or so are now stored off-site, and the renovation destroyed a lot of the character of the stacks. But it's still a magnificent place, one of the few things about Harvard that really lives up to the institution's bloated self-image.

6/17/2007 3:42 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The British Library is down less ;)

(sorry)

6/17/2007 7:24 PM  
Blogger Tim said...

You kidding me, that was a LOL, and I don't LOL. :)

Speaking of which, I think we'll be getting some of their data soon...

6/17/2007 7:34 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hmmm, how do you figure the British Library is down less? I don't think they're open 24 hours a day.

6/17/2007 7:46 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Saith Tim: "So, in that spirit, and with Yalies protecting my back, let's beat that little pile of books over at Widener."

I'm doing my best. Anyone else old enough to remember the bumper sticker for the early VW Bugs: "Don't Honk: I'm Pedaling as Fast as I Can"? Well, our libray (an international organization for handweavers) has about 2000 volumes (not counting periodicals), and they're all going into LT. But it's just lil ol' me and one other person doing the data entry, and we're both pedaling as fast as we can.

Yalie (grad school)
mother of Yalie (law)

6/17/2007 8:12 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am very surprised and pleased to have had the 15 millionth book; I must admit that my wife, avaland, who has my account password, actually entered the book. I'm not entering my books quickly enough for her. :-)

6/17/2007 8:46 PM  
Blogger Tim said...

(Comment earlier that got lost)

No, the collection is fantastic. (And I find the story quite touching.) Dissing Widener and the Harvard Library system generally is not going to work. It's like dissing water. Surely it's one of the most important scholarly places in the world.

Not that I have ever used the system, except through my mother (a grad.) and in the Harvard-Andover Library, which through a quirk of institutional fate, is available to the public. (It has bang-up Classics holdings too.)

Incidentally, checking out the library again, I notice that my librarian hero, Cutter, was student librarian. He turns up everywhere good!

6/17/2007 9:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

LT DOWN! That's what you get for dissing the Widener, biatch.

6/17/2007 9:22 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

...And we're back up.

6/17/2007 9:26 PM  
Blogger Tim said...

Sorry for the bad down message. It was just a temporary baffles clearing.

6/17/2007 9:27 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thanks. It allowed me a slim window of opportunity to get the Widener jokes in.

6/17/2007 9:38 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How about a comparison to OCLC's WorldCat, since, like LT, they don't actually hold the items catalogued there?

6/18/2007 8:40 AM  
Blogger Tim said...

Re: OCLC. Yeah, that might be a better comparandum. We're a close second there. We have 15 million. They have a billion. Watch out Dublin, OH!

6/18/2007 8:58 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I look forward to the British Library's data!

I appreciate that the British Library isn't open 24/7. It just seems that everytime I load LibraryThing it's down :(

You can't even get access to their physical collections unless you are 'special' in someway.

Oh if I'm having a general whinge could we have a better way of dealing with serials? I have loads of stuff with ISSNs on. Thanks!

6/18/2007 3:46 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If, hypothetically speaking, LT were to introduce the "wishlist" feature that's been requested by many since very early on, it would be easier to sort those out.

(Usually I'm in the "handle it with tags" camp, but I'd prefer to keep my wishlist separate, since I don't *know* that I'll like those books and thus don't particularly want my wishlist influencing the social aspects. I finally got tired of waiting and created a dummy wishlist account to keep track of things.)

6/18/2007 3:59 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

*but the bastards rejected me twice*

Hi Tim,
They rejected me twice too! Undergrad & transfer (tried to leave GU).

Hey, at least we ended up at a great school...:)) Hoya Jenny

6/18/2007 4:26 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I share your feelings about the BPL. I was there once, last October, and found myself looking wondering if I could move into the basement and live there the rest of my life without anybody getting mad.

6/20/2007 3:12 PM  
Blogger Jonathan K. Cohen said...

Boola boola! As a Yalie (BA '90), I thoroughly support your efforts to unseat Widener. (Sterling, at 6 million volumes, was out of the running quite a while ago.)

On that subject, a man walks into a brain store and begins to check out the merchandise; there are Princeton brains at $20/pound, Yale brains at $40/pound, and Harvard brains at $185/pound. He asks the shopkeeper why the Harvard brains are so expensive; at that price, they must be the best. The shopkeeper shakes his head and replies, "Do you know how many Harvard men we have to kill to get one pound of brains?"

6/20/2007 7:26 PM  
Blogger Jonathan K. Cohen said...

Talk about not reading the footnotes! Yale has 12,000,000 volumes now, which seems to be to be double what they had back when I was there. I'll take a double discount on those Yale brains, please.

6/20/2007 7:38 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Given that Pascal's library numbered 2000 approx, large for 17th century, I was intrigued to know what numbers LTs have accumulated over the years (rather than listed). There could even be a part of the 'Profile' to specify this I guess. What do you reckon? The LT collection could mushroom into a googolplex overnight. Borges baby hold on to your hornrims!
Reuchlin TIC ;-)

6/23/2007 5:32 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

BPL - 15,458,022
hm..., I seems what in BPL more than 16,000,000 books.

6/25/2007 9:41 PM  
Blogger coasterb said...

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6/26/2007 7:08 PM  
Blogger coasterb said...

9 days in and 28,000 to go. I actually drive past OCLC somewhat frequently, and know someone who works in their real library. It's not a terribly large collection of books, but it does have 4 staff.

Worldcat has 1,140,870,575 and grows by approx. 30 books per 2 seconds. Watch here http://www.oclc.org/worldcat/grow.htm

6/26/2007 7:10 PM  
Blogger Bill Blunt said...

Hmmmm - I'll have to start inputting my library soon!

Would you accept a web novel?

Kind Regards

THJnr

7/01/2007 11:33 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Harvard isn't a legal deposit Library.

The only legal deposit library in the US is the Library of Congress.

By legal deposit, I mean that a publisher must send a free copy of every book published in the US to the Library of Congress.

Similarly the British Library is sent a copy of everty book published in the UK and Ireland, and five other libraries in the UK
and Ireland also have a right to request free copies of works published in the UK and Ireland.

The other five Libraries are:

The Bodleian Library - Oxford University

The Cambridge University Library

The National Library of Scotland -
Edinburgh

The National Library of Wales

Trinity Library - Dublin

The largest non-legal deposit library in the UK is the John Rylands Library in Manchester

11/20/2007 8:46 AM  
Blogger Tim said...

Actually, the LC isn't one anymore either, I don't think. You need to send one if you want to go through the formalities of copyright, but you don't need to send one if you don't. Doing it formally gives you some edge rights, but copyright doesn't require it. And the LC isn't as big as it is just from that source, but from non-US books too. Anyway, quibbling. I didn't know Wales and Scotland got books too.

11/20/2007 2:20 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yes the National Library of Wales holds over 4 million volumes, whilst the National Library of Scotland in Edinburgh holds over 7 million volumes and 13 million printed works, as well as one of the largest collection of maps in the world - 1.6 million.

The British Library is on two sites in England, St Pancras in London, the main site and Boston Spa near Leeds in Yorkshire.

They have just built a new depository for 7 million books at Boston Spa, adding to the 3 million volumes already held there.

11/21/2007 11:24 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

More info

http://www.bl.uk/about/annual/2006to2007/governet/steve_morris/morriswebcam.html



http://www.bl.uk/about/annual/2006to2007/

11/21/2007 11:30 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

London has a public library system
consistng of 17 million books according to the London Museum and Library Agency, these books being housed in London't 350 public libraries, with 95% of the nearly 8million Londoners being within one mile of a public library. There are also many extremely impressive public libraries such as Guildhall and Westminster Libraries.

As well as London's 17 million public library books there are also a further 14 million books held in the British Libraries intergrated catalogue collection at St Pancras.

On top of this London has a multitutde of specialist libraries such as the V&A National Art Library, Kew Gardens Horticultural Library one of the greatest horticultural colletions in the world and part of a UN World Heritage Site and the National Maritime Museum Library also a UN World Heritage Site and home to one of the largest specialist collections in the world.

The British Museum Library also has a very significant collection as well as the original reading room used by Karl Marx to write his theories, there is also Natural History Museum Library, the Science Museum Library, Imperial War Museum Library, Wellcome Medical Library, Freud Library in Hampstead etc etc.

Indeed London has over 250 museums, as well as professional bodies from a major free mason library and the Grand Temple in London through to the largest private library in the world and then there are the academic libraries such as the London School of Economics and Political Science which has one of the largest specialist collections related to politics and economics in the world. Whilst within the M25Consortia of Academic Libraries in and around London there are over 30million volumes, and there are numerous professional libraries such as the Royal College of Surgeons and British Medical Association Libraries.

The University of London also has extensive Library stocks to rival most institions in the US.

There are also National legal deposit libraries as already mentioned in Scotland, Wales, Ireland, Oxford and Cambridge, whilst the John Ryland in Manchester holds A significant collection, as does the historic Cheetham Library in Manchester and medieval chained libraries.

9/26/2009 5:30 PM  

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